The Shining - 1980 - Stanley Kubrick
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The Shining - 1980 - Stanley Kubrick
Ben voilà, j'aimerais trouver des infos sur la version zone 1 de 144 minutes de The Shining (30 minutes de plus que la version vue chez nous ! ) avant de me la procurer.
Un comparatif entre les deux version serait le bienvenu. Hélas, je n'ai rien trouvé ni sur ce site ni nulle part...
Quelqu'un aurait des liens et/ou des infos ???
Merki d'avance.
Un comparatif entre les deux version serait le bienvenu. Hélas, je n'ai rien trouvé ni sur ce site ni nulle part...
Quelqu'un aurait des liens et/ou des infos ???
Merki d'avance.
C'est qui qu'a pété ?
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Je me souviens d'une longue séquence (et dispensable) où le médecin examine Danny après sa première vision. Dans la version courte, on enchaine directement avec le trajet en voiture vers l'overlook hotel.
Avis aux nouveaux forumers, il est parfaitement normal voir de santé publique d'envoyer chier manolito au moins une fois.
J'ai cette version en vhs ( enregistrement sur Ciné Cinémas , diffusé il y a 5-6 ans ).Tu peux l'acheter sans problème ! Les différences :
The full-length version runs approx. 145 minutes and is the U.S. theatrical version, available in the USA on VHS, DVD and laserdisc. All the other versions, however, run just under two hours (115), omitting about half an hour of footage. This is beacuse Kubrick cut some scenes from his film, which he thought were unnecessary. British television network ITV screened the full US version of The Shining during the late eighties. The following is a list of all the scenes or parts of scenes not present in the other versions of The Shining.
-The last line of dialogue (spoken by Wendy) in the kitchen scene, the subsequent dissolve, Bill Watson's arrival to the interview (and all his dialogue), Jack recounting his previous jobs and the reason for shutting the Overlook in winter.
-After Danny's vision in the bathroom, the entire Doctor scene is removed (making Anne Jackson's name in the opening credits a mystery), where Danny discusses "Tony" and we discover Jack dislocated Danny's shoulder in a moment of drunken rage, and joined the wagon afterwards.
-The scenes where Mr. Ullman shows Jack and Wendy around the Colorado Lounge, when they walk outside the maze and when Dick Halloran shows Wendy and Danny round the kitchens have been shortened, but not removed completely.
-The scene where Jack, Wendy and the hotel managers first enter the Gold Room and are introduced to Dick Halloran, the subsequent dissolve, a line of dialogue between Halloran and Wendy about the woman's name.
-The first shot of Wendy wheeling the breakfast trolley.
-The second half of Wendy and Jack's breakfast conversation where Jack says how he feels he's been to the Overlook before.
-A shot from behind of Jack throwing the ball against the wall, the subsequent dissolve and the line "Loser has to keep America clean, how's that?" (8 seconds in all!)
-Wendy seeing the news and weather report on television in the kitchen while preparing food.
-The title card "Thursday" and part of Wendy and Danny's snowfight.
-Wendy and Danny watching television in the Colorado Lounge.
-Some lines of dialogue between Jack and Lloyd during their first encounter.
-A line of dialogue spoken by Jack after the encounter with the old woman, referring to Danny's vision of the blood.
-The scene where Wendy goes over her plan to leave the Overlook verbally in their room and Danny gets possessed (?) by "Tony", sitting bolt upright in bed.
-Halloran's third attempt at trying to contact them via the telephone and County Office.
-The 8am title card.
-Halloran's question to the stewardess on the plane.
-A long shot from behind of Jack at the typewriter.
-Halloran's plane touching down and phoning his friend Larry to arrange the rental of a Sno-cat.
-The scene where Danny watches Roadrunner (not actually on screen) and Wendy goes to find Jack, taking a baseball bat, just before she goes to find his manuscript.
-Wendy seeing skeletons in the hotel lobby.
The full-length version runs approx. 145 minutes and is the U.S. theatrical version, available in the USA on VHS, DVD and laserdisc. All the other versions, however, run just under two hours (115), omitting about half an hour of footage. This is beacuse Kubrick cut some scenes from his film, which he thought were unnecessary. British television network ITV screened the full US version of The Shining during the late eighties. The following is a list of all the scenes or parts of scenes not present in the other versions of The Shining.
-The last line of dialogue (spoken by Wendy) in the kitchen scene, the subsequent dissolve, Bill Watson's arrival to the interview (and all his dialogue), Jack recounting his previous jobs and the reason for shutting the Overlook in winter.
-After Danny's vision in the bathroom, the entire Doctor scene is removed (making Anne Jackson's name in the opening credits a mystery), where Danny discusses "Tony" and we discover Jack dislocated Danny's shoulder in a moment of drunken rage, and joined the wagon afterwards.
-The scenes where Mr. Ullman shows Jack and Wendy around the Colorado Lounge, when they walk outside the maze and when Dick Halloran shows Wendy and Danny round the kitchens have been shortened, but not removed completely.
-The scene where Jack, Wendy and the hotel managers first enter the Gold Room and are introduced to Dick Halloran, the subsequent dissolve, a line of dialogue between Halloran and Wendy about the woman's name.
-The first shot of Wendy wheeling the breakfast trolley.
-The second half of Wendy and Jack's breakfast conversation where Jack says how he feels he's been to the Overlook before.
-A shot from behind of Jack throwing the ball against the wall, the subsequent dissolve and the line "Loser has to keep America clean, how's that?" (8 seconds in all!)
-Wendy seeing the news and weather report on television in the kitchen while preparing food.
-The title card "Thursday" and part of Wendy and Danny's snowfight.
-Wendy and Danny watching television in the Colorado Lounge.
-Some lines of dialogue between Jack and Lloyd during their first encounter.
-A line of dialogue spoken by Jack after the encounter with the old woman, referring to Danny's vision of the blood.
-The scene where Wendy goes over her plan to leave the Overlook verbally in their room and Danny gets possessed (?) by "Tony", sitting bolt upright in bed.
-Halloran's third attempt at trying to contact them via the telephone and County Office.
-The 8am title card.
-Halloran's question to the stewardess on the plane.
-A long shot from behind of Jack at the typewriter.
-Halloran's plane touching down and phoning his friend Larry to arrange the rental of a Sno-cat.
-The scene where Danny watches Roadrunner (not actually on screen) and Wendy goes to find Jack, taking a baseball bat, just before she goes to find his manuscript.
-Wendy seeing skeletons in the hotel lobby.
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Justement, ce que je voudrais savoir, c'est si tous ces rajouts (30 minutes quand même) enrichissent le film, je sais que les deux montages ont bien été approuvés par Kubrick, alors ça peut valoir le coup, il me semble.
Et puis aussi qu'en est-il des rumeurs sur la version japonaise du film, soi-disant encore plus longue et possédant paraît-il une fin alternative ?
Et puis aussi qu'en est-il des rumeurs sur la version japonaise du film, soi-disant encore plus longue et possédant paraît-il une fin alternative ?
C'est qui qu'a pété ?
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Il y a bien un épilogue que Kubrick a fait retiré-modifié de toutes les copies trois jours après la sortie du film. Infos IMDB :
"Director Stanley Kubrick edited the ending on the third day after release, removing about 10 minutes at the end: starting after the closeup of 'frozen Jack in daylight' it goes to a pullback shot with part of a state troopers car and the legs of troopers walking around in the foreground with jack in the background, then cuts to the hotel manager (Barry Nelson) Stuart Ullman walking down a hospital hallway to the nurse's station to inquire about Danny and Wendy, he's told they're both doing well and proceeds to Wendy's (Shelley Duvall) room, where after some gentle conversation he tells Wendy that searchers have been unable to locate any evidence of the apparitions she saw. Then it cuts to the camera silently roaming the halls of the Overlook hotel for about a minute until it comes up to the wall with the photographs, where it [back to the ending as it is now known] finally closes in on the photo of Jack in the 1921 pic."
"Director Stanley Kubrick edited the ending on the third day after release, removing about 10 minutes at the end: starting after the closeup of 'frozen Jack in daylight' it goes to a pullback shot with part of a state troopers car and the legs of troopers walking around in the foreground with jack in the background, then cuts to the hotel manager (Barry Nelson) Stuart Ullman walking down a hospital hallway to the nurse's station to inquire about Danny and Wendy, he's told they're both doing well and proceeds to Wendy's (Shelley Duvall) room, where after some gentle conversation he tells Wendy that searchers have been unable to locate any evidence of the apparitions she saw. Then it cuts to the camera silently roaming the halls of the Overlook hotel for about a minute until it comes up to the wall with the photographs, where it [back to the ending as it is now known] finally closes in on the photo of Jack in the 1921 pic."
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Pas mal, mais est-ce que le black (me souviens plus de son nom, désolé, celui que Nicholson tue à la fin) y figure ? Je ne crois pas...
(C'est pas pour contrarier, hein )
(C'est pas pour contrarier, hein )
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Je critique les films avec mes maigres moyens, je n'ai pas été formé pour ça
Je critique les films avec mes maigres moyens, je n'ai pas été formé pour ça