4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
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Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
Je pense que ça à changé, par ex je sais que des promo/SP WS sont envoyé chez dvdpascher pour des chroniques sur leur blog! un blog quoi! tu devrais faire une demande à mon avis!
Sinon 4 mouches est bel et bien cut, pas d'insert sur le disque fr, exit donc 40 secondes de métrage!
Sinon 4 mouches est bel et bien cut, pas d'insert sur le disque fr, exit donc 40 secondes de métrage!
Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
Juste pour précision qu'est-ce que tu appelles l'absence d'"inserts", à quelles passages correspondent-ils ?
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Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
j'ai chroniqué Les frissons pour ma rubrique sur les scènes coupée dans Mad Movies, et j'ai eu un disque test envoyé par la poste.
Sa place est dans un Blu-Ray !
Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
Les insert des blu-ray Koch et Shameless!Manolito a écrit :Juste pour précision qu'est-ce que tu appelles l'absence d'"inserts", à quelles passages correspondent-ils ?
http://www.google.fr/search?q=four+flie ... 9j1ukX36Cw
Pas trouvé le détail de ces derniers et mon mediabook est encore sous cello, mon dernier visionnage du film remontant au disque MYA il y a un bon moment..
Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
Si j'ai bien compris, le wild side correspond donc au montage du dvd Mya...
Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
Justement je me suis posé la mm question! le blu français correspond au disque italien en tout cas!
Comparatif d'époque à la sortie du disque Mya:
Mya vs Retrofilm
1- 21m 36s. 12 seconds cut at end of shot of Roberto (Michael Brandon) embracing Nina (Mimsy Farmer), and start of following shot of Roberto walking towards man in hammock.
2- 35m 14s. 10 seconds of dialogue at start of party scene cut, as Dalia (Francine Racette) introduces herself to Roberto, and Nina says "My little cousin's taking a vacation. She's going to be staying with us for a while".
3- 51m 50s. 9 seconds cut at end of shot of cyclist approaching Roberto, and start of following shot showing Dalia walking towards a seated Roberto and kneeling by his chair.
4- 69m 2s. 17 seconds missing at end of shot of dying man, and start of following conversation between Roberto and Andrea (Stefano Satta Flores):
Andrea: "Then I've actually established that in 4000 years of civilization, there have been only 230 years of peace. Incredible, isn't it?
Roberto: Look, Andrea, I'm just not in the mood. What did you want to see me about?"
The image that accompanies the latter line is present on MYA's disc, but the line is missing from the soundtrack.
Additionally, Argento shot several inserts showing letters written by the killer in both Italian and English variants. MYA's transfer uses the Italian variants (with no translation of any kind!), whereas Retrofilm's uses the English ones. These can be found in the following places on MYA's disc:
1- 39m 33s. "E' stato Facile" (the English variant reads "It was so easy").
2- 45m 7s. "Adesso e' finita tocca a te" (the English variant reads "The game is up - you're NEXT - ")
At 69m 47s and 69m 56s, there are two close-ups of a newspaper headline in Italian. These also appear in Italian in the Retrofilm version, but there they are accompanied by subtitles which do not appear in MYA's transfer.
Comparatif d'époque à la sortie du disque Mya:
Mya vs Retrofilm
1- 21m 36s. 12 seconds cut at end of shot of Roberto (Michael Brandon) embracing Nina (Mimsy Farmer), and start of following shot of Roberto walking towards man in hammock.
2- 35m 14s. 10 seconds of dialogue at start of party scene cut, as Dalia (Francine Racette) introduces herself to Roberto, and Nina says "My little cousin's taking a vacation. She's going to be staying with us for a while".
3- 51m 50s. 9 seconds cut at end of shot of cyclist approaching Roberto, and start of following shot showing Dalia walking towards a seated Roberto and kneeling by his chair.
4- 69m 2s. 17 seconds missing at end of shot of dying man, and start of following conversation between Roberto and Andrea (Stefano Satta Flores):
Andrea: "Then I've actually established that in 4000 years of civilization, there have been only 230 years of peace. Incredible, isn't it?
Roberto: Look, Andrea, I'm just not in the mood. What did you want to see me about?"
The image that accompanies the latter line is present on MYA's disc, but the line is missing from the soundtrack.
Additionally, Argento shot several inserts showing letters written by the killer in both Italian and English variants. MYA's transfer uses the Italian variants (with no translation of any kind!), whereas Retrofilm's uses the English ones. These can be found in the following places on MYA's disc:
1- 39m 33s. "E' stato Facile" (the English variant reads "It was so easy").
2- 45m 7s. "Adesso e' finita tocca a te" (the English variant reads "The game is up - you're NEXT - ")
At 69m 47s and 69m 56s, there are two close-ups of a newspaper headline in Italian. These also appear in Italian in the Retrofilm version, but there they are accompanied by subtitles which do not appear in MYA's transfer.
Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
Le disque italien était supposé être le même que le Mya exactement... Donc a priori, le Mya et le wild side ont le même montage.
Merci pour les infos sur les coupures...
Merci pour les infos sur les coupures...
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No problemo!
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Le film sera diffusé Jeudi 29 Octobre à 0H00 sur Arte...
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Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
Nouvelle édition en Allemagne, Blu ray + dvd, avec une durée de 103mn, donc visiblement, uncut...
http://www.devildead.com/indexnews.php3?NewsID=10186
http://www.devildead.com/indexnews.php3?NewsID=10186
Oh really? Well then I'm sure you wouldn't mind giving us a detailed account of exactly how you concocted this miracle glue, would you ?
Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
Avec une jaquette tout ce qu'il y a de plus hideux.Superwonderscope a écrit :Nouvelle édition en Allemagne, Blu ray + dvd, avec une durée de 103mn, donc visiblement, uncut...
http://www.devildead.com/indexnews.php3?NewsID=10186
Non mais, franchement, où vont-ils chercher des visuels aussi pourris ?
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Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
pour le coup, je ne suis pas d'accord. je trouve au contraire le visuel assez joli, et même audacieux - par rapport au blu ray français, il y a juste pas photo. ça, c'était franchement hideux.
Oh really? Well then I'm sure you wouldn't mind giving us a detailed account of exactly how you concocted this miracle glue, would you ?
Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
Il n'y a pas de blu-ray français à ma connaissance
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Chez le chat qui miaule aigu
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Re: 4 Mouches De Velours Gris - Dario Argento (1971)
Je garde ma vhs Melisa Vidéo à la copie nickel et au grain d'origine 1983 respecté...ces Blu Ray sont honteux!