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Je ne suis même pas au courant !Manolito a écrit :Récemment on a appris que l'entreprise "XXXX" assez impliquée dans le domainje du cinéma fantastique refusait de communiquer avec l'équipe du site DeVilDead parce qu'ils consièrent que les mecs de DeVilDead crachent sur leur site sur l'entreprise "XXXX". Or, cela n'a jamais été le cas sur le site, mais cela est arrivé souvent que "XXXX" se fasse taper dessus sur notre forum.
Donc, je ne sais même pas de qui tu parles !
De toutes facons, la plupart des editeurs francais n'ont rien compris a internet. Les boites de communication francaises n'ont rien compris a internet. Donc, cela n'a rien de tres surprenant !
Et puis, moi, je m'en fous un peu dans le sens ou j'arrive deja a me brouiller avec des editeurs sans le Forum. Un de plus... Un de moins... On finira par ne plus parler que de DVD en import. Car le gag, c'est qu'on a souvent de meilleur rapport avec les autres pays qui pourtant ne devraient rien avoir a faire de nous. Mais bon...
Pour en revenir sur le piratage, le telechargement, tout ca... Merci de ne plus en discuter ici. Merci de ne plus faire des allusions deguisees. Ceux qui me connaissent devraient commencer a comprendre que je n'hesiterais pas a bannir ou meme fermer le forum. Car, comme pour les editeurs, un hit de plus... un hit de moins sur le site... C'est pareil pour moi. Ce site n'a pas été créé pour faire de l'argent a la base, c'etait juste un projet commun pour partager une passion avec quelqu'un. Maintenant, je ne la partage plus avec la meme personne mais avec d'autres. Si cela s'arretes demain, je vais faire des putains d'economie, j'aurais moins d'emmerdes au jour le jour et je pourrais meme me reposer sans que l'on vienne me dire que je ne fous rien et que patati et patata.
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Fatalis rex
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Hein ? La compréhension ou la compression ? (quoi que, l'un ou l'autre, je ne comprends pasDragonball a écrit :
Là, je vais prendre le nvx coffrets, que ce soit les films originaux ou ceux un peu bidouillé des 90's (certains plans rajouter dans "La guerre des étoiles" aident à la compréssion des certaines scènes).
). Ou la cohérence à la rigueur ? Du genre Anakin ou Palpatine qui a la même bobine que dans la nouvelle saga ? Tiens d'ailleurs, quand il parle des versions originales le barbu à brushing, il veut bien dire par là les premières versions pré-révisionisme, avec les acteurs d'origine ?De toute façon m'en fout, je viens de revendre mon coffret, je n'achèterai pas le prochain, maintenant les STAR WARS je les regarderai dans ma tête
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kookaburra
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C'est du blufFatalis rex a écrit :De toute façon m'en fout, je viens de revendre mon coffret, je n'achèterai pas le prochain, maintenant les STAR WARS je les regarderai dans ma tête
Modifié en dernier par kookaburra le mer. mai 17, 2006 6:05 pm, modifié 1 fois.
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Fatalis rex
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N° commande : 35618880kookaburra a écrit :C'est du blufFatalis rex a écrit :De toute façon m'en fout, je viens de revendre mon coffret, je n'achèterai pas le prochain, maintenant les STAR WARS je les regarderai dans ma tête
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Et je n'achèterai plus rien estampillé STAR WARS, même un slip avec Boba Fett, vu que Georges Lucas a abusé de ma candeur de petit enfant. En gros : il me l'a mise bien profond. Moi aussi j'ai acheté le coffet apres l'annonce qu'il n'y aurait pas de sortie des versions originales, qu'un bankor les avait dévorées, qu'il fallait faire avec ces versions, alors que tout était planifiée. Vu le temps que prend une remasterisation, il y a meme fort à parier que tout ça ait été planifié depuis longtemps.-
kookaburra
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Je n'achèterais pas le nouveau coffret mais je pense tout de même garder l'ancien et effectivement ne plus rien racheter concernant StarWars (sauf des nouveaux Clone Wars parce que ça ça déchireFatalis rex a écrit :N° commande : 35618880kookaburra a écrit :C'est du blufFatalis rex a écrit :De toute façon m'en fout, je viens de revendre mon coffret, je n'achèterai pas le prochain, maintenant les STAR WARS je les regarderai dans ma tête
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).De toute manière on aura bientôt un nouveau coffret avec les épisodes 1 à 6, d'autres bonus, et bla bla bla... C'est sans fin cette histoire
Ha au fait, on ne vous avait peut-être pas prévenu, mais les montages originaux seront en 4/3, pas en 16/9. Ce sera juste les versions nettoyés des laserdisc de 1993!
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"Well... it seems we've started a bit of a firestorm with this business we posted yesterday about the original versions of the Star Wars films on the forthcoming (9/12) DVD release being offered in non-anamorphic widescreen video only. So be it. Sometimes, you have to call it like you see it. The news is absolutely true by the way. We've confirmed it specifically with reps of both Lucasfilm and Fox. It is no rumor.
By the way, for those of you who don't know what anamorphic means on DVD, we refer you to our in-depth guide on the subject.
What you will, in fact, be getting on the second disc in each of these new 2-disc sets (unless something changes dramatically and soon) are transfers of the original films that were done for the 1993 "definitive collection" laserdisc box set release. (By way of confirmation, Lucasfilm's Jim Ward had this to say about the transfers in the recent USA Today story: "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not as good as state of the art 2006.") Great. Thanks. Swell.
So the transfers, and the technology used to produce them, are MORE than a decade old. Of course, they're going to be digitally cleaned up a bit, and even a non-anamorphic transfer is going to look better in digital video on DVD than the same transfer would when presented on an analog laserdisc. Colors are going to bleed less, detail will be a little sharper. There's also apparently an additional bit of tweaking being done, because Episode IV will feature the original 1977 version of the opening crawl (sans the "Episode IV" text) which has NEVER been released on home video before, save for in excerpted form in the 2004 Empire of Dreams DVD documentary (which, we feel strangely compelled to point out, WAS ANAMORPHIC WIDESCREEN). In any case, the bottom line is that the transfers we're getting on DVD are old and they're non-anamorphic. The video resolution and quality is going to pale in comparison to the look of most other widescreen films on DVD.
A lot of people have been e-mailing us asking why Lucasfilm doesn't simply do new anamorphic, high-definition transfers of these versions of the films. Well... after confirming and posting the non-anamorphic information yesterday, we started making follow-up calls to various experts and industry insiders... you know, just to figure out what the hell was really going on. Were we crazy in feeling a little outraged about this? Was this really just a half-assed effort designed to milk Star Wars fans yet again? What was the real reason for the lack of new anamorphic transfers?
It's been reported previously that when Lucas went back to the original negatives of the Star Wars films in the mid 1990s, they were found to be in bad shape. Such bad shape, in fact, that had they not been restored immediately, the films could have been lost forever. So restoration is exactly what Lucas had done. Except that when he was creating the new 1997 Special Edition versions of the films... he cut the original negatives. So the original negatives of the theatrical versions no longer exist. Okay, we knew that. But what's the big deal? What about the original interpositive prints? What about high-quality release prints? Why can't Lucasfilm just use either of those elements to do a new transfer for DVD?
Well... at the same time as he was preparing the 1997 versions, Lucas apparently went on a little tear and recalled every release print of the theatrical versions that he could get his hands on, and he had them all destroyed. Which means that when Lucas said back in 1997 that the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars films no longer existed, he was serious. He apparently tried hard to make sure of it.
Nonetheless (and thankfully), we know for a FACT that beautiful dye transfer prints of the original versions of the films still exist in private hands, and that additional copies are preserved in a number of film archives around the world. What's more, Lucas would have been foolhardy if he didn't keep the original interpositives carefully stored in a climate-controlled vault for preservation's sake. Come on... of course he did. No one is THAT stupid that they'd just trash all the original elements of the films that made them rich beyond the dreams of avarice. In any case, neither the man himself nor senior Lucasfilm executives are willing to admit to that they exist, because as Lucas has said many times in the past, "They no longer exist."
So what are we left with? Either the films truly don't exist anymore, so it simply isn't possible to give them to you in state of the art quality (unlikely in the extreme, despite public and private statements to the contrary)... or Lucasfilm DOES have copies of the original versions in their vaults, and they're just unwilling (or too damn cheap) to spend the money to give them to you in state of the art quality... yet.
If the former is true, there can be no future anamorphic release of the original versions on DVD, and there can be no high-def release on the new Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD formats. Laserdisc is as good as it will ever get for those original theatrical cuts. If, on the other hand, the latter is true (and we believe it is)... Lucasfilm's greed is truly boundless.
Bottom line: This notion that Lucasfilm is doing the fans a favor by finally giving them the original versions on DVD in 2006... but in 1993 laserdisc quality... is baloney. In fact, it's unacceptable. Even though most of them probably don't even know what anamorphic means on DVD, or why they should care about it, the fact remains that the fans are getting bilked. We hate to say it, because we've known many of the folks at Lucasfilm for years now. But someone HAS to say it. It needs to be said. Lucasfilm can and should do better. Who knows? Maybe they're already planning to do better for the 30th Anniversary of the original Star Wars next year... and this is just one more bite at the pie in the meantime.
In any case, rest assured that we're as sick of talking about the Star Wars films on disc as you probably are of hearing it. But our motto here at The Bits is right up there in our logo: "Celebrating Film in the Digital Age." It's awfully damn hard to find anything worth celebrating about this. Which is a real shame... because it was pretty cool news there for a little while."
Source digital bits
"Well... it seems we've started a bit of a firestorm with this business we posted yesterday about the original versions of the Star Wars films on the forthcoming (9/12) DVD release being offered in non-anamorphic widescreen video only. So be it. Sometimes, you have to call it like you see it. The news is absolutely true by the way. We've confirmed it specifically with reps of both Lucasfilm and Fox. It is no rumor.
By the way, for those of you who don't know what anamorphic means on DVD, we refer you to our in-depth guide on the subject.
What you will, in fact, be getting on the second disc in each of these new 2-disc sets (unless something changes dramatically and soon) are transfers of the original films that were done for the 1993 "definitive collection" laserdisc box set release. (By way of confirmation, Lucasfilm's Jim Ward had this to say about the transfers in the recent USA Today story: "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not as good as state of the art 2006.") Great. Thanks. Swell.
So the transfers, and the technology used to produce them, are MORE than a decade old. Of course, they're going to be digitally cleaned up a bit, and even a non-anamorphic transfer is going to look better in digital video on DVD than the same transfer would when presented on an analog laserdisc. Colors are going to bleed less, detail will be a little sharper. There's also apparently an additional bit of tweaking being done, because Episode IV will feature the original 1977 version of the opening crawl (sans the "Episode IV" text) which has NEVER been released on home video before, save for in excerpted form in the 2004 Empire of Dreams DVD documentary (which, we feel strangely compelled to point out, WAS ANAMORPHIC WIDESCREEN). In any case, the bottom line is that the transfers we're getting on DVD are old and they're non-anamorphic. The video resolution and quality is going to pale in comparison to the look of most other widescreen films on DVD.
A lot of people have been e-mailing us asking why Lucasfilm doesn't simply do new anamorphic, high-definition transfers of these versions of the films. Well... after confirming and posting the non-anamorphic information yesterday, we started making follow-up calls to various experts and industry insiders... you know, just to figure out what the hell was really going on. Were we crazy in feeling a little outraged about this? Was this really just a half-assed effort designed to milk Star Wars fans yet again? What was the real reason for the lack of new anamorphic transfers?
It's been reported previously that when Lucas went back to the original negatives of the Star Wars films in the mid 1990s, they were found to be in bad shape. Such bad shape, in fact, that had they not been restored immediately, the films could have been lost forever. So restoration is exactly what Lucas had done. Except that when he was creating the new 1997 Special Edition versions of the films... he cut the original negatives. So the original negatives of the theatrical versions no longer exist. Okay, we knew that. But what's the big deal? What about the original interpositive prints? What about high-quality release prints? Why can't Lucasfilm just use either of those elements to do a new transfer for DVD?
Well... at the same time as he was preparing the 1997 versions, Lucas apparently went on a little tear and recalled every release print of the theatrical versions that he could get his hands on, and he had them all destroyed. Which means that when Lucas said back in 1997 that the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars films no longer existed, he was serious. He apparently tried hard to make sure of it.
Nonetheless (and thankfully), we know for a FACT that beautiful dye transfer prints of the original versions of the films still exist in private hands, and that additional copies are preserved in a number of film archives around the world. What's more, Lucas would have been foolhardy if he didn't keep the original interpositives carefully stored in a climate-controlled vault for preservation's sake. Come on... of course he did. No one is THAT stupid that they'd just trash all the original elements of the films that made them rich beyond the dreams of avarice. In any case, neither the man himself nor senior Lucasfilm executives are willing to admit to that they exist, because as Lucas has said many times in the past, "They no longer exist."
So what are we left with? Either the films truly don't exist anymore, so it simply isn't possible to give them to you in state of the art quality (unlikely in the extreme, despite public and private statements to the contrary)... or Lucasfilm DOES have copies of the original versions in their vaults, and they're just unwilling (or too damn cheap) to spend the money to give them to you in state of the art quality... yet.
If the former is true, there can be no future anamorphic release of the original versions on DVD, and there can be no high-def release on the new Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD formats. Laserdisc is as good as it will ever get for those original theatrical cuts. If, on the other hand, the latter is true (and we believe it is)... Lucasfilm's greed is truly boundless.
Bottom line: This notion that Lucasfilm is doing the fans a favor by finally giving them the original versions on DVD in 2006... but in 1993 laserdisc quality... is baloney. In fact, it's unacceptable. Even though most of them probably don't even know what anamorphic means on DVD, or why they should care about it, the fact remains that the fans are getting bilked. We hate to say it, because we've known many of the folks at Lucasfilm for years now. But someone HAS to say it. It needs to be said. Lucasfilm can and should do better. Who knows? Maybe they're already planning to do better for the 30th Anniversary of the original Star Wars next year... and this is just one more bite at the pie in the meantime.
In any case, rest assured that we're as sick of talking about the Star Wars films on disc as you probably are of hearing it. But our motto here at The Bits is right up there in our logo: "Celebrating Film in the Digital Age." It's awfully damn hard to find anything worth celebrating about this. Which is a real shame... because it was pretty cool news there for a little while."
Mais je l'avais plus ou moins predit il y a quelques jours de cela en disant qu'il allait nous refourguer des transferts VHS pour nous dire "ah, voila, vous les avez comme avant bande de naze !". Il n'est pas allé jusqu'au bout du concept mais on n'est quand meme pas loin !
Tous en choeur... Bêêêêêê ! Bêêêêêê ! Bêêêêêê ! Bêêêêêê !
Tous en choeur... Bêêêêêê ! Bêêêêêê ! Bêêêêêê ! Bêêêêêê !
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Dragonball
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Jérôme
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vu l'état de son scooter, je dirais 20 minutes quand même.Superfly a écrit :balance les noms
En tout cas si DevilDead crache sur Le Chat qui Fume, je vais directement casser la gueule à arioch vu qu'il habite à 10 minutes de chez moi en scooter
En même temps, je frime moins avec le mien, depuis que je me suis viandé sur le périph en revenant de la cinémathèque bis y a un mois, aie, aie,aie !
Sa place est dans un Blu-Ray !