Salut,
J'ai lu une info tres breve sur les années laser de ce mois ci dans lequel il est dit que cette serie culte des années 70 doit sortir en coffret (enfin je supose vu le nombre d'épisode) DVD en octobre ou novembre chez nous , quelqu'un aurait t'il plus d'info la dessus svp (liens , article, photo etc..)
merci
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L'homme qui valait 3 miliard en dvd ?
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toutes les infos ici :
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum ... did=239071
morceaux choisis :
Well, he's already said that the first two $6M Man pilots are not the original uncut movie versions, but the shorter 2-part syndication versions.
Don't really undertand why this happened, as Playback have issued the first two pilots in their original movie format just a few years ago on VHS. Maybe they thought it'd make the set look like it has "more episodes" on it, or someone who knows nothing about the series just pulled the first copy of each story from the shelf, or assumed the two-parters were the originals and that the movies were for syndication?
Guess I'll have to hang onto my PAL tapes awhile longer (or maybe much longer if they simply port over this exact set for R1 instead of the US division of Universal doing their own work).
Considering the syndication print cock-up on $6M Man, how much you wanna bet part one of "Welcome Home, Jaime" is presented as a BW episode rather than a $6M Man one?
et une critqiue plus importante sur les deux séries.
I spent a few hours tonight checking out the Season One R2 sets of SMDM and BW. Here's my quick take on them:
Both sets are packaged in the "Digi-Stack" book-style case (like "Smallville"). All the photos on the BW package, except one, are from Season Three, including the cover. SMDM has a few shots from other seasons, and incorrectly proclaims "Also starring Lindsay Wagner" on the back cover (along with Farrah Fawcett). Farrah Fawcett should have been listed as "Guest-starring Farrah Fawcett-Majors", which was her name at the time, since she was married to Lee Majors. The packaging is simple, but sloppy in presentation. The inside front cover lists the episodes per disc. The discs are all DVD-9s. The BW set is particularly ugly with its olive-green color scheme on the case and discs. Neither set has any extras.
Both sets have really nice menus with music and clips playing. The discs have individual episode or "play all" options. Both sets have chapters placed before and after the opening titles, at the commercial breaks and before the end titles.
The audio is clean, but the current presentation reveals the limitations of its 1970's sound mix, with noticeable looping, hiss and sound edits. When considering the soundtracks were designed to be heard through a three-inch mono TV speaker, they sound fine when (slightly) amplified on current gear.
Now, for the good news and the bad news...
First, the good news: The BW episodes have never looked better! All appear to be completely unedited, with (PAL) running times 47:30-48:00 minutes each. I noticed several scenes that I haven't seen since they were first aired back in 1976. The quality transfers from the previous R2 single-disc volumes are ported over to this set, and the transfers of the new-to-dvd episodes are of the same high quality. The transfers are on par with other (usually top-notch) Universal efforts from the era. There are a few instances of dust and debris, but nothing bothersome. There are a few dark scenes, some slow-motion shots and stock-footage where grain is evident, but it's always been that way. The colors are very vibrant, and well-lit scenes look especially nice. The transfers are consistent in quality for the whole season. The only one that appears "soft" is the final episode, "The Ghost Hunter", which was shot with a diffused focus for "atmospheric effect". Overall, I am extremely pleased with the presentation of BW on DVD, except for its lack of extras.
Now for the bad news: SMDM has never looked worse! Unlike the previous BW R2 single-discs, the R2 SMDM Season One episodes from the single-discs were atrocious, and have been ported over to this set. I was really hoping that Universal would re-do them for this set, but no such luck. In fact, some of the new-to-dvd episodes actually look worse than the previously available ones! My SVHS dubs from Sci-Fi Channel actually look better. At least the thirteen episodes are uncut, each running 48-49 (PAL) minutes. I just can't believe how bad the transfers are! The transfers are similar to "Bob Newhart" S1, only worse. They look like video dubs of worn-out 16mm prints transferred (poorly) to DVD. The colors are so faded and drab, they almost appear monochrome in some scenes. There are certain scenes where the color literally "blinks" from vibrant to pale in a single shot. I've never scene anything like this from a major studio. Since the prints used for syndication have been remastered, but edited, I wonder if this was the only way to get the uncut episodes. As noted earlier in this thread, the three pilots are included, but in their re-worked and expanded two-part versions. These versions are painful to watch, but at least they look a bit better than the thirteen Season One episodes. Also noted before, the first pilot has the usual SMDM title sequence featuring Richard Anderson in the credits, but is nowhere to be found in the episodes (he joined the cast in the second pilot). For some reason, Universal has left the original closing credits for the pilots in place, so one can at least hear a portion of Dusty Springfield's (horrible!) SMDM theme song from "Solid Gold Kidnapping". It needs to be heard to be believed. The old PAL VHS featured this pilot in its original movie format, with the title sequence and theme song in its entirety. We can be thankful the song was never used again, and that someone came up with the now-classic SMDM theme and title sequence instead. Still, its nice to have Dusty's version preserved, at least partially. The syndicated versions of the pilots normally have the standard SMDM end title sequence in place of the pilot's credits. Another problem with the previous discs has not been corrected for this set. Three episodes have the pre-title sequence played after the opening title, spliced into the scene that would have come after the opening titles, making for an awkward sequence.
There's no way consumers in R1 will accept these transfers as they appear on the R2 set. That's not to say that consumers in R2 are more forgiving, but it seems the studios tend to short shrift non-R1 releases for some reason. Let's hope Universal remasters these SMDM episodes for the R1 release, and while they're at it, includes the three pilots in their original form.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum ... did=239071
morceaux choisis :
Well, he's already said that the first two $6M Man pilots are not the original uncut movie versions, but the shorter 2-part syndication versions.
Don't really undertand why this happened, as Playback have issued the first two pilots in their original movie format just a few years ago on VHS. Maybe they thought it'd make the set look like it has "more episodes" on it, or someone who knows nothing about the series just pulled the first copy of each story from the shelf, or assumed the two-parters were the originals and that the movies were for syndication?
Guess I'll have to hang onto my PAL tapes awhile longer (or maybe much longer if they simply port over this exact set for R1 instead of the US division of Universal doing their own work).
Considering the syndication print cock-up on $6M Man, how much you wanna bet part one of "Welcome Home, Jaime" is presented as a BW episode rather than a $6M Man one?
et une critqiue plus importante sur les deux séries.
I spent a few hours tonight checking out the Season One R2 sets of SMDM and BW. Here's my quick take on them:
Both sets are packaged in the "Digi-Stack" book-style case (like "Smallville"). All the photos on the BW package, except one, are from Season Three, including the cover. SMDM has a few shots from other seasons, and incorrectly proclaims "Also starring Lindsay Wagner" on the back cover (along with Farrah Fawcett). Farrah Fawcett should have been listed as "Guest-starring Farrah Fawcett-Majors", which was her name at the time, since she was married to Lee Majors. The packaging is simple, but sloppy in presentation. The inside front cover lists the episodes per disc. The discs are all DVD-9s. The BW set is particularly ugly with its olive-green color scheme on the case and discs. Neither set has any extras.
Both sets have really nice menus with music and clips playing. The discs have individual episode or "play all" options. Both sets have chapters placed before and after the opening titles, at the commercial breaks and before the end titles.
The audio is clean, but the current presentation reveals the limitations of its 1970's sound mix, with noticeable looping, hiss and sound edits. When considering the soundtracks were designed to be heard through a three-inch mono TV speaker, they sound fine when (slightly) amplified on current gear.
Now, for the good news and the bad news...
First, the good news: The BW episodes have never looked better! All appear to be completely unedited, with (PAL) running times 47:30-48:00 minutes each. I noticed several scenes that I haven't seen since they were first aired back in 1976. The quality transfers from the previous R2 single-disc volumes are ported over to this set, and the transfers of the new-to-dvd episodes are of the same high quality. The transfers are on par with other (usually top-notch) Universal efforts from the era. There are a few instances of dust and debris, but nothing bothersome. There are a few dark scenes, some slow-motion shots and stock-footage where grain is evident, but it's always been that way. The colors are very vibrant, and well-lit scenes look especially nice. The transfers are consistent in quality for the whole season. The only one that appears "soft" is the final episode, "The Ghost Hunter", which was shot with a diffused focus for "atmospheric effect". Overall, I am extremely pleased with the presentation of BW on DVD, except for its lack of extras.
Now for the bad news: SMDM has never looked worse! Unlike the previous BW R2 single-discs, the R2 SMDM Season One episodes from the single-discs were atrocious, and have been ported over to this set. I was really hoping that Universal would re-do them for this set, but no such luck. In fact, some of the new-to-dvd episodes actually look worse than the previously available ones! My SVHS dubs from Sci-Fi Channel actually look better. At least the thirteen episodes are uncut, each running 48-49 (PAL) minutes. I just can't believe how bad the transfers are! The transfers are similar to "Bob Newhart" S1, only worse. They look like video dubs of worn-out 16mm prints transferred (poorly) to DVD. The colors are so faded and drab, they almost appear monochrome in some scenes. There are certain scenes where the color literally "blinks" from vibrant to pale in a single shot. I've never scene anything like this from a major studio. Since the prints used for syndication have been remastered, but edited, I wonder if this was the only way to get the uncut episodes. As noted earlier in this thread, the three pilots are included, but in their re-worked and expanded two-part versions. These versions are painful to watch, but at least they look a bit better than the thirteen Season One episodes. Also noted before, the first pilot has the usual SMDM title sequence featuring Richard Anderson in the credits, but is nowhere to be found in the episodes (he joined the cast in the second pilot). For some reason, Universal has left the original closing credits for the pilots in place, so one can at least hear a portion of Dusty Springfield's (horrible!) SMDM theme song from "Solid Gold Kidnapping". It needs to be heard to be believed. The old PAL VHS featured this pilot in its original movie format, with the title sequence and theme song in its entirety. We can be thankful the song was never used again, and that someone came up with the now-classic SMDM theme and title sequence instead. Still, its nice to have Dusty's version preserved, at least partially. The syndicated versions of the pilots normally have the standard SMDM end title sequence in place of the pilot's credits. Another problem with the previous discs has not been corrected for this set. Three episodes have the pre-title sequence played after the opening title, spliced into the scene that would have come after the opening titles, making for an awkward sequence.
There's no way consumers in R1 will accept these transfers as they appear on the R2 set. That's not to say that consumers in R2 are more forgiving, but it seems the studios tend to short shrift non-R1 releases for some reason. Let's hope Universal remasters these SMDM episodes for the R1 release, and while they're at it, includes the three pilots in their original form.
Sa place est dans un Blu-Ray !
Le coffret français ce sera sans moi: pas de vo, sauf sur les deux pilotes inédits! Ce sera soit le z1 soit n'importe quel autre d'Europe!
Universal France, faut qu'ils changent de métier de toute urgence! Entre ça et Fantomes contre fantomes!
Après ça faut pas qu'ils chouinent si on cherche à voir les épisodes autrement qu'avec leurs editions pourries!
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http://dvdfr.com/dvd/dvd.php?id=22942
Universal France, faut qu'ils changent de métier de toute urgence! Entre ça et Fantomes contre fantomes!
Après ça faut pas qu'ils chouinent si on cherche à voir les épisodes autrement qu'avec leurs editions pourries!
edit:
http://dvdfr.com/dvd/dvd.php?id=22942
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Mais quelqu'un sait (ouais faut bien ressuciter un thread de temps en temps...) si univers sale France compte ressortir la série avec les vo?...
Quelqu'un sait pourquoi ils sont aussi "teubé" chez Universal France?...
J'ai feuilleté le guide séries des années Laser, et j'ai constaté que sur plusieurs séries, les premieres saisons sont en vost, et les suivantes uniquement en vf... Ça sent l'abruti qui débarque chez Universal France, et change tout histoire de montrer qui c'est le boss...
Le plus hallucinant c'est l'absence de z1.
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pour le zone 2 anglais, j'ai été faire un tour sur cdwow!
http://fr10.cd-wow.com/detail_results_1 ... ode=238271
et
http://fr10.cd-wow.com/detail_results_1 ... ode=388705
Les trois pilotes sont bien présents dans la saison 1. La vo aussi, mais pas de vf... Fromage ou dessert, quoi... Quant aux sous titres, quelqu'un sait?...
Quelqu'un sait pourquoi ils sont aussi "teubé" chez Universal France?...
J'ai feuilleté le guide séries des années Laser, et j'ai constaté que sur plusieurs séries, les premieres saisons sont en vost, et les suivantes uniquement en vf... Ça sent l'abruti qui débarque chez Universal France, et change tout histoire de montrer qui c'est le boss...
Le plus hallucinant c'est l'absence de z1.
EDIT:
pour le zone 2 anglais, j'ai été faire un tour sur cdwow!
http://fr10.cd-wow.com/detail_results_1 ... ode=238271
et
http://fr10.cd-wow.com/detail_results_1 ... ode=388705
Les trois pilotes sont bien présents dans la saison 1. La vo aussi, mais pas de vf... Fromage ou dessert, quoi... Quant aux sous titres, quelqu'un sait?...
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pour l'absence en Z1, pb de droits là bas. universal a les droits de la série, et quelqu'un d'autre a désormais les droits du bouquin de départ.
Pas de vo chez nous car pas de st éxistants sur cette série, donc trop chers à rentabiliser sur le seul sol français.
pour les séries comme Magnum et autres qui ont abandonné la vost, c'est aussi parce qu'en zone 1, universal a arrêté la vostf sur ces séries.
Pour des trucs plus prestigieux comme Columbo, dans le même cas en Zone 1, universal a pu débloquer de la thune pour proposer des stt français en zone 2
Il faut savoir que le sous-titrage coute cher, surtout pour des séries, et que le potentiel commercial de sombres bouzes scénaristiques comme K2000 ou l'Agence tous risques (si l'on met de côté l'aspect nostalgique) n'est pas évident. Donc c'est Vf ou rien.
Note, que cela me désole autant que toi, mais il n'y aura pas de ressortie avec la VO pour ces séries.
Pas de vo chez nous car pas de st éxistants sur cette série, donc trop chers à rentabiliser sur le seul sol français.
pour les séries comme Magnum et autres qui ont abandonné la vost, c'est aussi parce qu'en zone 1, universal a arrêté la vostf sur ces séries.
Pour des trucs plus prestigieux comme Columbo, dans le même cas en Zone 1, universal a pu débloquer de la thune pour proposer des stt français en zone 2
Il faut savoir que le sous-titrage coute cher, surtout pour des séries, et que le potentiel commercial de sombres bouzes scénaristiques comme K2000 ou l'Agence tous risques (si l'on met de côté l'aspect nostalgique) n'est pas évident. Donc c'est Vf ou rien.
Note, que cela me désole autant que toi, mais il n'y aura pas de ressortie avec la VO pour ces séries.
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J'avoue qu'il est bon parfois de remettre les choses à leur place !Jérôme a écrit : le potentiel commercial de sombres bouzes scénaristiques comme K2000 ou l'Agence tous risques (si l'on met de côté l'aspect nostalgique) n'est pas évident.
Et je dis ça en ayant bp de sympathie également pour ces séries !"J'ai essayé de me suicider en sautant du haut de mon égo. J'ai pas encore atteri... "
Je suis assez d'accord!
A noter que pour l'Agence tous risques, que j'ai aimé regarder petit, ça ne me viendrait pas trop à l'idée d'acheter les dvd!...
En gros on aura les vost de "Steve Austin" quand Universal US sortira les dvd, une fois ces sombres questions de droits résolues!... Ça ne les empêchait tout de même pas d'inclure les vo, même sans sous-titres! Je parie que la version UK (qui existe bien) comporte au moins des sous titres pour malentendants...
Je suppose que c'est encore une question de droits, et aussi de baobab dans la main chez Universal France, qui se sont déjà illustrés par leur génie: impasse sur la version longue pour Fantomes contre fantomes, titres restant désepérément en 4/3 (Backdraft, Le secret de mon succès...), voire en pan and scan (Marnie, Les oiseaux...).
Bref, une certaine paresse de leur part, alors que les homologues us ou même européens des dvd cités sont exemps de ces défauts (malheureusement, certains sont aussi exempts de sous titres français)!
Dommage, ils sont plutôt sympas au téléphone.
A noter que pour l'Agence tous risques, que j'ai aimé regarder petit, ça ne me viendrait pas trop à l'idée d'acheter les dvd!...
En gros on aura les vost de "Steve Austin" quand Universal US sortira les dvd, une fois ces sombres questions de droits résolues!... Ça ne les empêchait tout de même pas d'inclure les vo, même sans sous-titres! Je parie que la version UK (qui existe bien) comporte au moins des sous titres pour malentendants...
Je suppose que c'est encore une question de droits, et aussi de baobab dans la main chez Universal France, qui se sont déjà illustrés par leur génie: impasse sur la version longue pour Fantomes contre fantomes, titres restant désepérément en 4/3 (Backdraft, Le secret de mon succès...), voire en pan and scan (Marnie, Les oiseaux...).
Bref, une certaine paresse de leur part, alors que les homologues us ou même européens des dvd cités sont exemps de ces défauts (malheureusement, certains sont aussi exempts de sous titres français)!
Dommage, ils sont plutôt sympas au téléphone.
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les hitchcock que tu cites sont recadrés partout en Europe. c'est plutaôt un pb entre universal Usa et ses filiales là dessus. pour Frigteners c'est une autre histoire.
et je vois mal Universal sortir l'homme qui valait 3 milliard avec une vOST plus tard. Ils auront déjà fait tout leur beurre avec les éditions actuelles. et les Zone 1 s'ils sortent unjour n'auront pas de stt fr, Universal Usa a arrêté d'en mettre.
et je vois mal Universal sortir l'homme qui valait 3 milliard avec une vOST plus tard. Ils auront déjà fait tout leur beurre avec les éditions actuelles. et les Zone 1 s'ils sortent unjour n'auront pas de stt fr, Universal Usa a arrêté d'en mettre.
Sa place est dans un Blu-Ray !